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German S-100 Class Schnellboot (Fast Boat) - Motors and Drive System

The SBoot Motors and Drive system

I have bought three Cobra 4130/12 motors as the Turnigy motors that I purchased are not really suitable for the type of mounts that I have. The Cobra Motors are nearly 50mm (2") diameter and 61mm long.

I have also bought three 50mm props and three 120Amp brushless speed controllers and I have three 5000mAH 14.4Volt Lithium batteries for this beast!

The Cobra 4130 Motor - Front View The Cobra 4130 Motor - Top View The Cobra 4130 Motor - Mounting Details (with Dimensions)

The Specifications - 4 Cell Lipo battery at around 14.8 Volts should produce about 1000 watts for each motor, that should be enough!

Cobra 4130/12 Motor Specifications
Stator Diameter 41.0 mm (1.614 in)
Stator Thickness 30.0 mm (1.181 in)
Number of Stator Slots 12
Number of Magnet Poles 14
Motor Wind 12 Turn Delta
Motor Kv Value 540 RPM per Volt
No Load Current (Io) 1.85 Amps @ 20 Volts
Motor Resistance (Rm) per Phase 0.029 Ohms
Motor Resistance (Rm) Phase to Phase 0.019 Ohms
Maximum Continuous Current 65 Amps
Max Continuous Power (5-cell Li-Po) 1200 Watts
Max Continuous Power (6-cell Li-Po) 1440 Watts
Max Continuous Power (8-cell Li-Po) 1920 Watts
Motor Weight 398 grams (14.04 oz.)
Outside Diameter 49.8 mm (1.961 in.)
Shaft Diameter 6.00 mm (0.236 in.)
Motor Body Length 61.8 mm (2.433 in.)
Overall Shaft Length 84.5 mm (3.327 in.)
Motor Timing 5-10 degrees
PWM Frequency 8 KHz

These Motors are only 540 rpm per volt, compared to the Elco at 1100 rpm per volt, as the propellers for the Schnellboot have a pitch of 2-1 compared to the Elco pitch of 1-1 and they are larger diameter props, this means that for every revolution the propeler pushes the boat more than twice as far (excluding losses) as the Elco (Higgins/Huckins) propellers.

 

The Propellers

1/35th Scale Cast Propellers from G-Factor

I bought these 1/35th scale cast propellers from G-Factor (E-Bay) the top three are for a 35th scale S-Boot and the bottom three are for the 35th scale Elco. note that the Schnellboot outside props are counter rotating and the middle one has no spike because it sits in front of the main rudder support.

The Elco props are all the same.

These are all solid cast brass, the quality looks really good - However - I do need some 20th scale versions!

It is 2021, I have finally designed some 20th scale Schnellboot propellers that I am happy with, see the sbootshaft page, I had three attempts with designs, all made by Shapeways in brass and the latest ones I have had made are also available in Nylon with a natural finish (and a chemically polished finish, which is not bad but takes off a bit of material). I have three of the nylon props to try on the boat as I think they will be great, they seem tough enough and they are really inexpensive compared to the brass or bronze option, 3D printing seems to give a much better result than trying to cast propellers, much more accurate.

I am very happy with these! 😜

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